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Moy Yat > Pete Pajil (Moy Bah Hugh) > John "Jay" Hitchman
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In 1981, he started training under, Joe Rodriguez. In 1994 he began training under Pete Pajil. Jay became a Grand Special Student of Grandmaster Moy Yat in 1995. In 1999 he completed the system by learning the Bot Chom Doh form.